LKS trying to "OUST" on of our own!

[KYBOY]

I have talked to Layne and Gasset on a couple of occasions. Seem to be friendly level headed guys and were very receptive to our ideas. The dept has worked directly with us to get some of the old trapping regs changed to our benifit. I think the majority of LKS members dont share the malice towards the KDFWR that the few do.

[aceoky]

Originally Posted by Skipper

The League can say a lot of things, but one thing is true, In Kentucky, The Commission is the one that makes the laws, rules and regulations not the league. The league can suggest, lobby and work with the commission, but only the Commission has the authority to do the things we want done.

One of the major mistakes the current administration of the league has made is to alienate itself from the Commission and those in charge. When you are in a situation where the President of the League can't sit down and talk to the chairman of the commission or the head of the department because he's spent the last 2 years running those people into the ground in a smear campain, then get mad because they won't listen and work with you is rather silly.

The fact is, we have a good commission and I personally have not had a problem working with any of them. I've ate breakfast a couple times with Alan Gailor and had an interesting discussion with him on the possible future black bear hunt in Eastern Kentucky. Doug Hensley and I stood on top of a high wall watching a crew tag an elk calf below and were discussing the quail we were hearing whistle from the grass land below. The fact that the elk program has forced Kentucky to look into securing more WMA land in order to be able to handle the herd has the potential to help much more wildlife than the elk. Before Ronnie and his bunch managed to defeat Tom Baker, he and I had serious discussions about building some boat ramps on the Cumberland River.

Our commission has done a lot for this state. No, not everything is perfect, but you fix the imperfect part by working with them not against them.

Skip

Funny you'd mention that, check out this post (to me) on

http://www.kentuckysportsmen.com/php...t=288&start=15

All I have to say to your last post is this......Your either with us or against us and if you want to compare bashing the KDFW to bashing the LKS I think we now know whos side you are on! Nothing has done more harm to the LKS than what the former commission did with the magazine in terms of membership......But in the end it will only make the folks that are dedicated to the League set their jaw even tighter and fill them with more resolve........

Right now you have a commissioner sitting at the table that has not been to a Federation meeting in his district since being appointed......You have another that when he does show up he either lies so **** bad that they tell him to shut up or he instigates an arguement which he ultimately looses and then there is one that listens to his federation but doesnt have the balls to do what they ask of him.....Now what do you see in that picture that isnt true.....And you need to ask why attack the KDFW in a public forum.......Go to a commission meeting just once Jim and step up to the mic and represent all those people you say you represent and find out for yourself why things have gone like the do! Just because some have sold their soul to work with them doesnt mean the rest of us will!



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Needless to say, I told him about the same thing you just said (though not as "nice" and polite)

THAT .............IS the attitude of the LKS leadership....!!!

As if they don't NEED the KDFWR to get anything done!

[aceoky]

Originally Posted by KYBOY

I have talked to Layne and Gasset on a couple of occasions. Seem to be friendly level headed guys and were very receptive to our ideas. The dept has worked directly with us to get some of the old trapping regs changed to our benifit. I think the majority of LKS members dont share the malice towards the KDFWR that the few do.

The majority of the LKS membership AND the majority of Ky sportsmen/women don't........And we have a $70,000+ survey from Cornell thanks to some of the same bunch that proves it!!

THE problem (as I see it) is the FEW are taking the rest down with them......by ignoring the facts, ignoring and insulting the membership, and constantly bashing the KDFWR, RMEF , and anyone else who doesn't do things THEIR WAY.....

And the membership by and large are voting their frustration now with their feet (in other words Leaving the LKS).....I believe there has been nearly a 35% net loss in recent years of the LKS membership........that's substantial in anyone's views, but still they fail to "get it".....and "keep right on keepin' on".....despite the obvious.......And try to blame everyone else for it, rather than accept it's them and Their policies that is causing almost all of it.!!!

[Skipper]

Originally Posted by KYBOY

I have talked to Layne and Gasset on a couple of occasions. Seem to be friendly level headed guys and were very receptive to our ideas. The dept has worked directly with us to get some of the old trapping regs changed to our benifit. I think the majority of LKS members dont share the malice towards the KDFWR that the few do.

Jim Layne and John Gassett are class individuals and both are willing to work for the sportsmen in this state otherwise they wouldn't be where they are. I've worked with John Gassett on several things over the last few years and he seems very level headed and wants to help you if he at all can. He took a hit last year in the legislature over Senate Bill 129 when Ortega's whipping boy in the senate called him out over the fact that the legislature's phone rang off the hook from angry sportsmen who were against expanding cervid farming in this state. Now with Lou Ortega as a district director in the League, I'm sure the tension there is thick and will remain so. I'm just glad he's a league director and not a commissioner which he ran for BTW.

Skip

[aceoky]

Now with Lou Ortega as a district director in the League, I'm sure the tension there is thick and will remain so. I'm just glad he's a league director and not a commissioner which he ran for BTW.

As did Mark Rogers.....that would have been "just what we needed" those two calling the shots as much as they could for all of us......NOT

Dr. Jon Gassett has done an outstanding job, as far as I'm concerned (and most of the sportsmen/women in Ky agree)

The "FEW" who are "running things" within the LKS can't seem to understand that they are such a small minority on their feelings about the KDFWR and the RMEF... to not even matter in the "big picture" of things, and what's worse, as in the post above, they make PUBLIC Statements about how "Evil" the KDFWR is........and still expect GREAT treatemnt from them when THEY need something....people are only human, kick them enough times and they "forget" to work on anything you want or need......:jacka:

[KYBOY]

Layne and Gasset have gone as far as contacting us the UTK about proposed snare law changes. they sought out the sportsmen for help. Ive got a lot of budddies in other states that cant say these type of things about their dept heads.

[aceoky]

Originally Posted by KYBOY

Layne and Gasset have gone as far as contacting us the UTK about proposed snare law changes. they sought out the sportsmen for help. Ive got a lot of budddies in other states that cant say these type of things about their dept heads.

THAT is a very good point,and one the LKS Leadership does not want the Sportsmen/women they represent to know!

They want the membership to believe the Dept is "corrupt",and incapable of doing anything "right".....:jacka:

Even though they've been shown time and time again that over 90% of the Sportsmen/women of Ky support the KDFWR and say that overall they are doing a great job!

Just as Doug said in his post on the LKS forum accusing me (and the rest ) of "selling our souls to the KDFWR"......because WE actively and publicly support and defend them, for doing their jobs so well!

I'm far from "perfect" and make at least my fair share of mistakes, but one thing I'm not is "for sale"; neither are my ethics,values or opinions....

I'm "wise" enough to realize that the KDFWR sets the Regs for F&W and would rather work WITH them than against them, much less calling them names, insulting them in Public on every chance, and causing further divisions that help No one ,and in fact make things harder for everyone involved.....:banghead:

[aceoky]

What I find "interesting" is how the leadership "thinks" that Terry is part of some minority conspiracy for speaking out for the majority of the Sportsmen/women of Ky and the League itself??

While, they would love nothing more than for everyone to follow their "lead", the fact of the matter is, the vast majority see things so much differently than they do!

To even think about kicking someone like Terry S. out is a bad move to try to go through with it on what he's said, well, that's absurd in the USA.....

[aceoky]

This (borrowed from broadhead's sig line) sums it up quite well (thanks Broadhead)

In order to be effective truth must penetrate like an arrow - and that is likely to hurt.

Those in the leadership that want Terry gone (and I suspect several others) for telling the truth have found the above to be quite true IMHO

[Oletrapper]

Let me preface my remarks by saying that Terry has not (yet) been kicked out. The Board of Directors do not have that power. They can, however, "Suspend" a member which is what has happened. To wit--

LKS By-laws, Page 2 starting at the end of line 5 which reads and I quote:
The Board of Directors shall have the power to suspend any affiliated organization, member thereof, or any associate member for failure to pay dues or for conduct which in its judgement may be detrimental to the welfare, interests, or reputation of the League, provided that such members shall be given the right of a hearing before the Board before suspension. The suspended member shall have the right of appeal to the next annual convention, and the League on hearing the appeal in annual convention shall confirm, modify or annul the suspension, or may expel the offending member from any further participation in the League.

See next post.

[aceoky]

Here is what a former Director had to say on 10/30/2006 on this when it first was found out about........last Fall.....

Instead of focusing on important issues to Sportsman in their District, they are trying to shut you down since you are a voice of the opposition. I don't always agree with you Terry, but I can tell them that is a waste of time.

The lack of tolerance for different opinions within the LKS will be the death of an already ineffective LKS. The LKS was designed to inclusive, not exclusive. Many are finding out that they can get more done working in small groups "with" the Department than through the framework of the LKS.

Unbelievable !

I have reason to believe the lack of tolerance of different opinions by the LKS leadership IS the reason he stepped down from his position with the LKS ........

[Oletrapper]

Terry is a friend of mine. Plain and simple. What has happened to him is a new low for the League and its current leadership. Two people present voted against this blatent action. They are Taylor Orr, Director 9th District and Tim Guilfoile, Director 5th District. My hat is off to both of them.
What I would like to suggest to each of you that intend to attend the upcoming convention at the Drawbridge in N. Ky. is that you construct a "RESOLUTION" from your respective clubs that would totally reverse the action of the BOD. I have already begun the process here in the 5th. I hope to besiege the resolution folder in support of Terry. What say you.

[aceoky]

Some more on Terry in his own words, and how the LKS leadership tries to censor OUR input

http://208.75.148.144/~kentucky/foru...ad.php?t=30475

just got an email from the League President.

It seems that one of the League's member put a poll on the League's discussion forum that posed the question "Is the way Troy Gentry killed his bear a) hunting or b) harvesting.

By all means a fair question.

I responded to the poll in the following manner:

"I chose harvesting because "shooting fish in a barrel" was not a choice. "

"This kind of stuff, along with Jimmy Houston and Russ Bellar is going to kill our sport if we don't stop it. That's why the League membership has voted repeated for resolutions that will eliminate the private ownership of wildlife and high fence hunting."


I then received this email from our esteemed president:

"Terry remove your statement or I will delete it."

To which I replied:

"To which post do you refer?"

"If it's the one about Gentry, Houston and Bellar, you'd better go ahead and remove it. You'd also better be ready to explain to people why you removed a post that said something negative about 1) a convicted violator of the Lacy act (Bellar), his undicted co-conspirator (Houston) and a guy under indictment for violating the Lacy (Gentry). That's a pretty weak position for the President of what purports to be Kentucky's largest sportsman's organization. These laws were put in place to protect our wildlife and these people have violated them. So if you think you can explain why you won't allow people to speak out against game law violators, delete the post. Then explain yourself."

It is also important to note that he asked the fella who put up the original poll to remove his post too.

Now what do you think, folks? Is the discussion of game law violators appropriate for a sportsman's bulletin board? Is pointing out the fact that high profile people have been indicted, convicted and parties to such violations of so great controversy that it will tear the delicate fabric of the League? Will it so offend one of the board members who is covetous of developing a closed fence shooting preserve that it cannot be said publicly? I don't know about you folks, but I'm dying to hear our fearless leader explain this to me. If you'd like to hear his explanation, let him know.


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Interesting isn't it??? NOW they want to kick him out??? Sad, and pathetic.....

[aceoky]

Here is where on this whole Terry Issue, I feel we were ALL misled at the very least

http://208.75.148.144/~kentucky/foru...=Handled+house


Quote:
Originally Posted by Multidigits View Post
Mike, could you address one of the items that was talked about at this meeting in the Discussion forum please. I heard second handed information that there was an attempt made to censor a member of the 3rd District for expressing his views. I'm sure you'll have the details of what actually happen and will be truthful. Thanks for any info you might have on the subject.


Sure,
A subject was broached about membership and adressing working on getting more involved and enlisted. This conversation turned to concerns of member/members (who will remain annonymous) and their actions which some found alarming and harming to the LKS and 3rd Federation and the recruitment/retention of members. Actions/Options were discussed on how to handle this and it was agreed upon to be handled in a private manner as it is 3rd Federation business. As one member said "This is our house and our problem and will be handled within our walls".

I feel at this time this is the best manner to adress this and keep the wishes of the Federation and keep club business just that. This is what they have asked for and this is what I will do.
Thanks for your concern.


Mike

[aceoky]

What I would like to suggest to each of you that intend to attend the upcoming convention at the Drawbridge in N. Ky. is that you construct a "RESOLUTION" from your respective clubs that would totally reverse the action of the BOD.

I think that is a most excellent idea.......