LKS trying to "OUST" on of our own!

[Quaker Boy]

It's really a shame when the directors of such an organization feel they have the right to make decisions against the wishes of the membership. How is this organization structured? What are the bylaws. Do the members hold voting rights on these issues which must be followed? Explore these avenues and do you r best to change things around....or get out while the getting is good.
Unfortunately, it is this type of mentality that has been the fall of many strong organizations. This my way or the highway attitude could spell the beginning of the end.

[Skipper]

They don't want any help either.

I know after the 2005 convention Ronnie presented the resolutions to the KDFWR Commission and several of them got trashed because Ronnie has a running feud going with Tom Baker and Doug Hensley. It's hard to get things done with the Commission when you treat the Commission members like but holes.

After that incident we, Taylor and I, contacted several commission members as well as John Gassett and discussed the issues we felt were more pressing and were successful in getting a few of them acted on. That's when we got into the Captive Cervid problem.

For those that don't understand Kentucky's situation, it's this. We have a set of rules and regulations for Shooting Preserves. They include seasons, licenses, and minimum acreage requirements. The Cervid Farmers got together and fandangled the legislature to create a way around having to follow the rules for a shooting preserve and now can legally do pretty much what they want to. If Jimmy Houston wants to come to Kentucky now and kill a deer in a dog pen for his TV show, that's now legal under this loophole they created. We are trying to close that loophole and force them to follow the rules for a shooting preserve which is what they are operating.

We worked hard on this for several months, made calls, held meetings, discussed it with all sorts of officials and had a plan put together to stop it. When it came time to put the rubber on the road, Ronnie and his buddies abandoned us, and now it seems like the whole organization is ran by Lou Ortega and his cronies. If you are against his so called hunting, then you must be a member of Peta and therefore not fit to be in a conservation organization. The crux of it for us is, on our end, almost all of our district is RMEF members, and we support the RMEF heavily. For a lot of reasons the Cervid Farmers hate the RMEF and they are aligned with the grouse hunters who can't manage to understand what benefit they are getting from the RMEF working to sign up 200,000 acres of WMA and managing it for wildlife. They want to blame the RMEF for there being not many birds in Kentucky, how they figure that, I'll never understand.

Skip

[aceoky]

Skip VERY well said, much better (and shorter) than I ever could have.....

[boinky]

Originally Posted by Quaker Boy

It's really a shame when the directors of such an organization feel they have the right to make decisions against the wishes of the membership. How is this organization structured? What are the bylaws. Do the members hold voting rights on these issues which must be followed? Explore these avenues and do you r best to change things around....or get out while the getting is good.
Unfortunately, it is this type of mentality that has been the fall of many strong organizations. This my way or the highway attitude could spell the beginning of the end.

Been my opinion for years that folks who have this attitude lack the self confidence to make decisions and generally are hding ulterior motive, which they do not want discovered!

Cleary they have ulterior motives, and if I had to guess it involves $$$$$$$$$$$$$ MONEY as usual!

[aceoky]

So after that WE are told to post on the LKS site.....there is ONE major problem though for many to be able to do that.....

The site Admin must grant access to the forums so you can post and GUESS WHAT???? He is out of town, until the 18th of the month!!!


I don't think however that they will.....

[KYBOY]

I am very dissapointed with the way the LKS is butting heads with the KDFWR. Im the 7th district director for the UTK and the dept has been very good to the trappers and all sportsmen in general I believe. It takes a fool to bite the hand that feeds it.

[aceoky]

Originally Posted by KYBOY

I am very dissapointed with the way the LKS is butting heads with the KDFWR. Im the 7th district director for the UTK and the dept has been very good to the trappers and all sportsmen in general I believe. It takes a fool to bite the hand that feeds it.

I agree 100% and have made that point numerous times only to be feeling like I'm :banghead:

Oh and told that *I* am the reason the LKS ship is "sinking", while the same time being told I'm "nobody" ...:jacka:

They (leadership) seem to ONLY care about what they want , which it seems to be fighting with the membership and the KDFWR and the RMEF

[aceoky]

Oh and BTW, welcome to Skip's a great place to be and be able to voice your own opinions....

[Skipper]

Originally Posted by KYBOY

I am very dissapointed with the way the LKS is butting heads with the KDFWR. Im the 7th district director for the UTK and the dept has been very good to the trappers and all sportsmen in general I believe. It takes a fool to bite the hand that feeds it.

The League can say a lot of things, but one thing is true, In Kentucky, The Commission is the one that makes the laws, rules and regulations not the league. The league can suggest, lobby and work with the commission, but only the Commission has the authority to do the things we want done.

One of the major mistakes the current administration of the league has made is to alienate itself from the Commission and those in charge. When you are in a situation where the President of the League can't sit down and talk to the chairman of the commission or the head of the department because he's spent the last 2 years running those people into the ground in a smear campain, then get mad because they won't listen and work with you is rather silly.

The fact is, we have a good commission and I personally have not had a problem working with any of them. I've ate breakfast a couple times with Alan Gailor and had an interesting discussion with him on the possible future black bear hunt in Eastern Kentucky. Doug Hensley and I stood on top of a high wall watching a crew tag an elk calf below and were discussing the quail we were hearing whistle from the grass land below. The fact that the elk program has forced Kentucky to look into securing more WMA land in order to be able to handle the herd has the potential to help much more wildlife than the elk. Before Ronnie and his bunch managed to defeat Tom Baker, he and I had serious discussions about building some boat ramps on the Cumberland River.

Our commission has done a lot for this state. No, not everything is perfect, but you fix the imperfect part by working with them not against them.

Skip

[gwhilikerz]

I think the LKS is in danger of sinking. That's what happens when the Capt. doesn't know how to row. Oh, this is my first post on this site and I am happy to be here. I suppose you could call me a refugee. I was banned from KentuckyHunting for speaking up. I assure you I will do my best to be a good neighbor.

[Xi Bowhunter]

Originally Posted by gwhilikerz

I think the LKS is in danger of sinking. That's what happens when the Capt. doesn't know how to row. Oh, this is my first post on this site and I am happy to be here. I suppose you could call me a refugee. I was banned from KentuckyHunting for speaking up. I assure you I will do my best to be a good neighbor.

You are banned over there?! Man, they are keeping the LKS discussions on a tight leash aren't they? Welcome to the site troublemaker!:icon_smile_sculacci J/K buddy!

[gwhilikerz]

Thanks for the welcome Xi Bowhunter. I do tend to get into trouble from time to time. But Skipper was kind enough to invite me over here. So my trouble making stopped at the door.

[Xi Bowhunter]

Originally Posted by gwhilikerz

Thanks for the welcome Xi Bowhunter. I do tend to get into trouble from time to time. But Skipper was kind enough to invite me over here. So my trouble making stopped at the door.

I don't know if you have ever visited this site, but it is a totally different animal from the other site. These guys over here are top-notch. This site is great, and I hope to see you around here more often

[Skipper]

Originally Posted by gwhilikerz

I think the LKS is in danger of sinking. That's what happens when the Capt. doesn't know how to row. Oh, this is my first post on this site and I am happy to be here. I suppose you could call me a refugee. I was banned from KentuckyHunting for speaking up. I assure you I will do my best to be a good neighbor.

Welcome aboard. I'm a member of the banned Kentucky hunting people myself. Something to do with me inviting you all.

I got tired of the double standard they seemed to have. Whoever could say whatever they wanted to about friends of mine on that site, but speak up for what you believe to be right and you get a nasty note and told to go away for a while.

Hopefully at the next election we can find a new ship's captain to steer the ship back on the path it's ran on for 71 years.

I know we do not 100% agree on the deer farming issue, but I believe we do have a lot of common ground. The thing is, it's a much broader issue than that. All of this has been perpetrated IMO over the last few years for the purpose of getting rid of Tom Baker, Alan Gailor, and Doug Hensley. I really don't think Ronnie and his bunch are 100% on Lou Ortega's side of the deer farming issue, however, it's convenient to use him and his bunch that agree with Ronnie, Mark, and crew that they wanted rid of those 3 commissioners. What I'm afraid we'll end up with at the convention this year is Lou Ortega as president. I'd hope not, but I'm sure he'll run. If they do what they did last year, there will be enough new pseudo clubs in the league with votes to make it happen. When it does, I'm sure Terry Sullivan won't be the only League member that gets the ax.

Skipper

[Skipper]

Originally Posted by gwhilikerz

Thanks for the welcome Xi Bowhunter. I do tend to get into trouble from time to time. But Skipper was kind enough to invite me over here. So my trouble making stopped at the door.

Oh, it's pretty difficult to get into trouble here. Like Xi said, we're a little more relaxed here.

Skip